It seems that they never intended to enforce this to current gun owners because they knew they wouldn’t comply. It is more of a measure that they will enforce going forward on future generations of gun owners.
At the very least, they should be slam dunks for crime enhancements. If they commit a crime, and the illegal firearm is found in their possession, that should tack on some hefty penalties.
So what are you gonna do? Send the cops to kill them? Because that’s how it plays out.
And then there’s the apocryphal boating accident. Prove I still have the guns.
License, insurance and registration (just like cars) for every gun. Massive fines with accruing interest lifetime liability for “lost” guns.
What about stolen guns?
If you carve out an exception then everyone will just say they were stolen.
And if you don’t carve out an exception, you are now punishing people for a crime they didn’t commit.
If the gun was properly stored and secured it would not have been stolen. You must not be paying attention to justice in America. Many people are punished present day for crimes they didn’t commit.
Then you report it stolen as soon as you see that it’s gone
If it’s used to commit a crime before you report it, there should be huge penalties. And if you’re just falsifying police statements, that’s already a crime.
Just change “guns” to “cars” to see how ridiculous this position is. And cars are far more lethal per capita than guns are.
So you know, I’m in favor of much stronger gun control in this country, licenses, registration, insurance, training requirements, recurring training requirements, all that. But your line of thinking in regards to criminalization is counterproductive and not rooted in the reality of how society works.
What are you going to do? Shoot at cops executing a lawful search warrant?
That has happened many many times and a few times in the past few years the homeowner has even gotten away with it.
If you jump straight to shooting when cops show up to take your toys, it’s a pretty good bet you never should have had them in the first place.
If you “lost” it they should tear your fucking house apart with a warrant to make sure it’s really gone.
We cool with police and government just barging into our homes and taking our property that we purchased legally with our own money now?EDIT: FWIW, I misunderstood the title. I thought it was banned guns, not people banned from having guns (due to felonies, etc.). This is a bit different.
If you “lost” it they should tear your fucking house apart with a warrant to make sure it’s really gone.
It blows my mind that some people think this course of action would be ok, and that it wouldn’t be abused by the authorities.
God forbid we get guns off the streets or out of the hands of criminals.
I’d be much happier if they were doing it for guns instead of marijuana like they have for the last several decades.
What makes you think it would be abused any more than warrants are right now?
What makes you think it would be abused any more than warrants are right now?
Because time after time we’ve seen that when given new powers, new tools, or new technologies, the police abuse them.
They would absolutely use this power to terrorize their opponents by ransacking their homes, whether they owned a gun or not. I’m not sure that it matters because more than half of this country seems to be ok with living in a fascist dictatorship as long as the dictator happens to be on their ‘side’ for the moment.
If someone is too dangerous to own a gun then they’re too dangerous to be loose in society anyway. They can always find some other means to hurt people.
Soooo we should make it really convenient for them?
No, they should be locked up somewhere until they receive sufficient treatment to straighten them out.
they should be locked up somewhere
Well there’s some medieval thinking right there.
Okay, how do you think violent mentally ill people should be treated?
Don’t know, I’m not an expert on that. But locking them in a dark room somewhere out of sight isn’t the answer. The whole “until they receive sufficient treatment” is the missing piece in the puzzle, because that doesn’t happen. That’s the part I’d like to see get fixed instead of spending money on torturing them.
If you would have read my entire comment you would see that I said they should receive treatment…
And if you read mine you’d see me saying that doesn’t happen so it’s a worthless argument.
Then they should get their guns back upon release.
It’s honestly kinda wild how many comments here are in favor of cops kicking down doors to enforce this law.
I know, I know, Lemmy isn’t a singular person. But it’s rare to see the anti-gun crowd advocating for aggressive police action–apparently it’s okay just because they are gun owners?
I absolutely believe we’d be better off with less guns floating around this country, but that necessarily is going to be a slow generational shift unless you’re advocating for violent standoffs between well-armed citizens and an even more well-armed state.
Strong gun control requires a police state, and it’s advocates are okay with this. Some of them (mostly suburbanites and the like) just imagine that that police state will never be directed against them.
Others are capitalists that actively want to inflict a police state on the rest of us, for their own benefit. It’s a lot easier to break strikes and enforce “work discipline” when the working class is disarmed.
Some of us are just sick of reading about mass shootings every couple days.
Strong gun control requires a police state
False. Unless you are saying every other country in the world with strong gun control laws is a police state. Which is also false.
And some aren’t even strawmen…they recognize the police state is already directed against them and guns haven’t solved the problem…just made it easier for police to pull the trigger because they’re all terrified for their lives.
Personally, I’ve yet to see a single American successfully use guns to protect any other constitutional right from government infringement.
I have seen lots of examples like Waco and Ruby Ridge, where the government should have tried harder to deescalate, but in the end, everyone died. The closest example I can think of where the government did backoff was the Bundy standoff and all those guys were “defending” was their ability to let their cattle graze illegally on federal land because they didn’t want to pay for access like everyone else.
What the anti gun crowd doesn’t get is, saying you have a mental health issue blocks you from getting em, so people are going to bottle shit up because one moment of weakness might cost you your right for a lifetime. It actively discourages people from getting help.
It’s almost as if they don’t have a fucking solution at all.
Despite pointing to “evErY oThER cOUnTrY doEsNt hAvE a PrObleM” they haven’t thought about gun control implementation for 3 seconds.
It’s literally as bad as the conservative saying “do nothing” or “more guns solve the problem”. It’s equally as stupid as that, but the liberal crowd acts like they’re fuckin geniuses whilst giving their suggestions.
Australia fixed their gun problem. You’re pretending it cannot be solved despite loads of countries have a pretty good grasp of it.
Protip: don’t ever get diagnosed with a mental illness.
Start putting these people in jail in large numbers. Make it clear to the rest that they need to surrender their illegal firearms.
“I lost my guns in a tragic boating accident.”
Now what?
The judge sees through the lie and issues a search warrant anyway?
There are lots of ways to hide guns. One person who is a legal gun owner who doesn’t approve of the law can hide them for his friends. Do not assume Illinois is united on this, enough voters are to pass a law, but gun owners consider this a tyranny of the majority and are sticking together
In a lot of rural areas where guns are most common the police don’t approve of the law. They won’t ask for a warrant in the first place. If someone else asks for one they will give plenty of warning to the person to be searched - or they will just take the warrant and throw it away without searching. If forced to search they will ignore you moving guns past the front door when they knock, then when the door opens find no guns in plane sight in the front room and leave.
“Cool, then you shouldn’t mind if we search your entire property right now to prove that you don’t still have the thing you are explicitly prohibited from possessing. Or you can show us where you were boating when they were lost and we can charge you for the cost of the search if they aren’t there.”
