Upvotes seem to just federate as likes and dislikes.

  • atro_city
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    There’s no way that isn’t going to be abused. Some marketing or tracking agency will setup a fediverse server and just collect all data like this for free. Or worse, take advantage of a friendica instance to bombard it with requests for data collection purposes.

    • @Microw@lemm.ee
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      891 month ago

      Well yes, the whole concept of the fediverse is that of social media as a public service. All activitypub data is public.

            • @Zorque@lemmy.world
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              261 month ago

              Tools do not have morality or ethics, only people do. Some people use tools in a morally and/or ethically questionable manner, either for profit or because it amuses them.

              • @inbeesee@lemmy.world
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                21 month ago

                True, we perpetuate the unjust systems around us. Systems can be constructed to unfairly benefit some over others as well, like how capitalism unfairly benefits the wealthy.

            • @Jax@sh.itjust.works
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              It’s the age old argument of “It’s not Communism that’s bad, it’s the human element.”

              Speaking as if any system created by humans will ever be free of the human element, which is of course faulty logic.

              Edit:

              The downvote button is not an ‘I don’t like this’ button, trogs. Read the rules.

              • @lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org
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                61 month ago

                , which is of course faulty logic

                …which is why design systems so that when using them we can account for the human element, right? Come on! We have centuries-spanning systems even industries built on that! Engineering, avionics, Yelp reviews…

                • atro_city
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                  I think you’re forgetting the context of the discussion…

                  Not them but yes but it’s not a feature of the system, it’s a failure of the humans.

                  A system designed to be used by humans has an attribute bound to be exploited by humans and it’s the failure of humans for exploiting it.

              • @Zorque@lemmy.world
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                31 month ago

                I mean, when the human element is literally not doing communism, yes, that would be a problem.

                • atro_city
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                  21 month ago

                  That’s the problem: for communism to work, it requires perfect beings that act according to how the system is designed. Humans do not do that.

          • @umbrella@lemmy.ml
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            11 month ago

            i think we should be accounting for it if we don’t wanna get swallowed by shitty interests tbh

        • @Microw@lemm.ee
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          171 month ago

          But it has absolutely nothing to do with how it is displayed in Friendica.

    • FundMECFS
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      Yes, but as long as you don’t reveal your identity, they can’t do much to track you.

      They don’t have access to your IP.

      Of course, it you’re using the same username over multiple services, or reveal identifying information (which is much easier to analyse now due to AI) they will be able to track you.

      • Ricky Rigatoni
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        141 month ago

        My name is actually Ricky Rigatoni and I am King of the Brooklyn Mafia.

          • Draconic NEO
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            41 month ago

            If image embeds aren’t cached by your server they can be abused to gain IP, but that’s a hack, it’s not intended.

              • Draconic NEO
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                11 month ago

                Exactly, that’s why I said for ones that aren’t cached. They can be cached, but it’s not a guarantee they will be.

                  • Draconic NEO
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                    129 days ago

                    Oh I didn’t know that, that’s good. Though I think the point still stands since it’s not a guarantee instance admins will use it (unless it’s a default).

        • FundMECFS
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          I think server admins can access. It makes sense moderation wise, if for keeping a tab on alts for enforcing permabans.

    • ProdigalFrog
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      221 month ago

      This feature has been available to all kbin/Mbin users since the beginning, btw.

    • fmstrat
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      71 month ago

      This is nothing new. Fire up any ActivityPub server and you can see everything over the wire. As a Lemmy admin of my server of just me, I can also see it in the UI.

    • Meldrik
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      61 month ago

      What can they use that data for?

      It would only be usable data if they could show personalized ads to the users. They can’t.

      All they know is that Meldrik up/downvoted this and that, but outside of Lemmy they have no idea who Meldrik is.

      • atro_city
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        101 month ago

        If you think metadata is worthless, I would like to make you aware about Snowden and his revelations. Look them up.

      • @smeg@feddit.uk
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        31 month ago

        I think the issue is that many Lemmy users will think more carefully about what they comment than what they up/downvote, as a comment appears connected to your username but a vote doesn’t. You might decide against commenting on something you disagree with because you don’t want to get in a fight, instead just downvoting it, but if people then know if was you who downvoted can still pick the fight.

        Basically the issue is you’re revealing a lot more information than you might initially have realised if you’d have known votes were public all along. Maybe a disgruntled person uses that to dox you, or maybe a corpo feeds all that information into their fancy computer system to work out who you might be, who knows.