• @ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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        476 months ago

        They will first go “I don’t buy those damn consoles and gamer PCs every few years”, then find out once their new iPhones will be much more expensive…

        • @schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business
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          Everything will be more expensive, if it uses a modern CPU. Phones, tablets, computers of any type from any company (both Intel and AMD are fabbing consumer CPUs on TSMC, as is Apple and Qualcomm), TVs, set top boxes, everything.

          Right now TSMC is basically the only fab anything consumer-facing is made on, which is not a great thing in general, but vice president trump just decided that anything electronic needs a hefty price hike.

          • umami_wasabi
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            156 months ago

            And remember, once the price goes up, it rarely goes down. Even after the tariffs reverted in the future.

        • @TheFonz@lemmy.world
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          56 months ago

          They seem to like cars a lot. Remember when there was a car shortage because chip manufacturing froze during Covid?

          • @ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
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            16 months ago

            Issue with that, they would love to have “chipless” cars they can repair with a screwdriver and a wrench.

  • @thejml@lemm.ee
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    1336 months ago

    He emphasized that the proposed tariffs would leave companies with no choice but to invest in domestic production facilities to avoid high taxes.

    No choice except the obvious: Pass the cost of the Tax into the customer because there’s no way they’re going to spend billions to stand up a US fab plant anytime soon.

    • @schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business
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      No choice except the obvious: Pass the cost of the Tax into the customer because there’s no way they’re going to spend billions to stand up a US fab plant anytime soon.

      TSMC is standing up fabs in the US, mostly because we’re bribing them to do so.

      The problem is that it takes literal years to build high tech manufacturing and isn’t something you can yank out of your ass to satisfy some idiot politician.

      • @cyd@lemmy.world
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        376 months ago

        By Taiwanese law, TSMC isn’t allowed to move cutting edge processes to its US plant. The overseas operations have to be at least one gen behind.

        From a strategic point of view, it makes sense for the Taiwan government to do this. They don’t want the US to suck them dry then cut a deal with the mainland.

        • @schizo@forum.uncomfortable.business
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          166 months ago

          I mean, it’s economic blackmail: we won’t build the good shit anywhere else, so if you don’t protect us, you get nothing.

          Effective, but only if you’re dealing with someone who is rational, and, well, have you seen the brain-worm oligarchs in charge of the US lately?

          • @Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
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            46 months ago

            For Taiwan, it’s a matter of survival, plain and simple. They’re not going to give up their monopoly because without it they cease to exist. It does not matter how irrational the person they’re dealing with is, because for them this is life and death, literally. TSMC is the single biggest national security asset they have.

    • @RangerJosey@lemmy.ml
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      56 months ago

      That’s just how tariffs work. They’re not a weapon against enemy nations. They’re a tax on Americans.

      And nobody is going to bring production back to this fascist slave pen of a country.

  • z3rOR0ne
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    856 months ago

    Oh man, Trump…I had this thing I wanted to give you…where did I put it…oh yeah…🖕

  • @7rokhym@lemmy.ca
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    836 months ago

    Awesome! Send them to Canada, we can build data centres and sell the cloud services back to Americans powered by the electricity that we expect to be tarriffed, and cooled by the water we won’t sell.

    • Lemminary
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      196 months ago

      Or Mexico! We’re already on it. Sheinbaum is working to get a chip manufacturing plant up in Guadalajara. Exciting stuff, honestly.

      • AbsentBird
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        66 months ago

        Make the chips in Guadalajara, ship them out of Puerto Vallarta to Vancouver to power server farms in Surrey; cut the US out entirely.

    • AbsentBird
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      46 months ago

      Hell, use the waste heat to power hot water heaters or something. It blows my mind that we don’t do more cloud computing in cold environments. The servers produce heat, the people need heat, solve one problem with another. Instead we seem to be putting them in the driest and hottest climates available.

  • @Tomma235@lemm.ee
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    636 months ago

    So where is the US going to get its chips from then tax TMSC makes over 90% of chips?

  • ZeroOne
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    546 months ago

    China I get, but Taiwan ? It’s literally a US-proxy state

    • Kokesh
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      246 months ago

      I’m sure that orange fuck will try to sell it to “beautiful” president Xi, or to clean it out to stop the conflict, or something like that, that bubbles up in his senile demented brain.

    • @Sturgist@lemmy.ca
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      26 months ago

      I mean Puerto Rico is literally part of the US and that doesn’t seem to matter for them…

  • @philpo@feddit.org
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    506 months ago

    And in two weeks there will be a special executive order to free his Tech Bro oligarch buddies from these tarrifs so Meta and Elmo are not forced to pay a dollar extra.

  • @vext01@lemmy.sdf.org
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    466 months ago

    If TSMC doesn’t want to set up shop in the USA, are the USA going to be able to produce chips on par with what TSMC can fab?

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      526 months ago

      they are building a plant in Arizona, but i doubt it’ll ever be as good as Taiwan can do, not just because Taiwan has the skills but if Taiwan doesn’t have this then what’s the point of protecting it? It’s sort of a way to say, if you want to to continue to access the best chips in the world you should protect us from China

    • @TheDezzick@lemm.ee
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      336 months ago

      The US could probably do it… With hundreds of billions of government incentives to rapidly stand up the entire supply chain… Which would still take at least a decade. The machines that TSMC uses are made by ASML and themselves have a global supply chain of over 500 separate companies and are backordered for several years due to their inherent value.

      In short, no.

      • @SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
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        36 months ago

        It will take them 20 years to catch up to the 5-7 years they are behind, even with all the money in the world.

        As you say, it’s setting up the supply chain.

    • @floofloof@lemmy.ca
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      Intel has been trying to get itself into that position for years, with huge amounts of public money being pumped in, and it is struggling so badly the company lost patience and fired the CEO who had the best chance of getting this done. And, as others have said, it doesn’t look like TSMC is about to let its US fabs do the most advanced stuff even if they could.

      So this move will just make the best technology less accessible to the USA and tech products more expensive for Americans, for the foreseeable future.

      • Logi
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        16 months ago

        for the foreseeable future.

        Or 4 years, whichever comes first.

    • @Acidbath@lemmy.world
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      246 months ago

      From what I understand one of the things that is protecting Taiwan from China is their fabs. They will fight for their lives to make sure they are protected by this.

      As someone with family over in Taiwan, I really want them to be okay. Things are getting depressing globally.

  • Magnus
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    446 months ago

    It’s going to impact American consumers a hell of a lot more.

    • Maple Engineer
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      256 months ago

      Came here to say that. Americans pay the tarrifs. He’s raising prices for American consumers.

          • @fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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            16 months ago

            There has been a lot of greatness in US, but the people fighting the good fights seem to be losing right now. Just slowly, a little year by year. Hopefully this a kick in the pants too fucking far and we wake the fuck up and see we have to actually do something about it.

    • tiredofsametab
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      Maybe if that happens, computer parts won’t get a huge markup here in Japan anymore in that … ah, who am I kidding; they’ll still gouge us.

  • @JaymesRS@literature.cafe
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    406 months ago

    But I thought the Tim Apple donation to the trump inauguration was supposed to curry enough favor to avoid this.

    ThisIsMySurpisedFace.jpg.

    • Derpgon
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      76 months ago

      Oh he did, there were supposed to be 500% tariffs /s