• @drdiddlybadger@pawb.social
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    976 months ago

    How the fuck is this a valid executive order when it’s clearly purse string shit. This is something congress would have to do.

    • Bizzle
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      496 months ago

      Congress would have to first stop him. He does so many blatantly illegal things though and nobody ever actually cares, though, so that’s unlikely.

      Two inches from the best timeline. We got fucked.

      • @TheFriar@lemm.ee
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        86 months ago

        Two inches from the best timeline. We got fucked.

        What two inches? What was the best timeline that we missed out on so narrowly? 2000? Because Reagan won by a lot, if I’m remembering correctly.

          • sunzu2
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            56 months ago

            Sometimes shit to get really bad before it gets worse…

            Example: the great depression.

            But it doesn’t seem like Trump pleb supporters are coming around… Yet. Let’s see how much abuse they can take from daddy.

            • Avid Amoeba
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              46 months ago

              Well they haven’t seen much abuse yet. They just dodged a nice bump in inflation for a month.

      • sunzu2
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        06 months ago

        People need to hit up their old pol sci books haha…

    • @surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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      126 months ago

      The funny thing is, if just won’t work. Ok, he says to do it. Some lackey goes off to do it. But someone has to sign the check. The money has to come from somewhere. That’s when the shit hits the fan.

      Unless Congress does whatever he says like little lap dogs. Ok, yeah, I convinced myself now that it’ll happen.

    • OBJECTION!
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      6 months ago

      Seems more like the standard fascist approach to me. It’s probably not going to stay government owned.

      1. Demonize a minority group

      2. Government takes control of businesses owned by members of that minority

      3. Government gives control of the business to (typically larger) businesses owned by the dominant group, allowing them to artificially produce growth (what Zucc is likely aiming for)

      4. Narrow the scope of who is accepted in the dominant group, move on to the next minority, and repeat.

      This is why communists often describe fascism as “capitalism in decay.” Because of the tendency of the rate of profit to fall, it becomes harder and harder for companies to find new ways of producing growth, and have to find methods that aren’t involved with actually increasing productivity, which is where you get enshittification. The fascist economic solution is obviously unsustainable, it’s like eating your own arm, but corporations that are desperately focused on short term growth (the vast majority of them) will happily sign on.

      Socialism, otoh, is not about finding more stuff to feed into corporations, but, upon reaching that point, transforming the economy to remove the need for endless growth through nationalization. But socialism is not synonymous with nationalization, especially when the nationalization is selectively targeted and (most likely) temporary.

      • @Sturgist@lemmy.ca
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        6 months ago

        This is the kind of discourse that should be coming from .ml folk more often. More minds changed by proper discussion than soapbox evangelism.

        Well thought out, not intentionally antagonistic, no holier than thou finger wagging. Just facts laid out.

        I applaud you.

      • masterofn001
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        46 months ago

        I realize now I was using the incorrect application of the term socialized. As a Canadian our healthcare and other services are labelled as such - incorrectly.

        Went down a rabbit hole of the various terms after someone else said state capitalism. From nationized to state corporation to the Marxist issue with state owned corps to Einsteins opinions.

        By all accounts, it definitely isn’t socialist.

        Thanks for the reply

    • Erasmus
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      136 months ago

      Yes think of it more akin to what the Germans did to companies that failed or that they didn’t like during WW2.

      Very similar premise.

      • sunzu2
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        26 months ago

        Pretty sure Hitler provided something to the “proper” Germans… Trump ain’t gonna do shot for his pleb base, just the owner class base like President Musk.

        • Nightwatch Admin
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          46 months ago

          Indeed, his rhetoric gave the people back their pride, he gave them infrastructure and a job and helped Germany from the ruins of WW1 back on its feet. All for a massive war effort (and much, much worse), as it turned out.
          Orange Mussolini is just an awful grifter, in it for himself indeed.

          • @rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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            06 months ago

            I’ve heard that what Nazis gave their population economically was funded by a few huge-ass scams and burning remaining reserves. The “back on its feet” part was not their achievement.

          • sunzu2
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            06 months ago

            Proper Americans sold their asses for nothing 🤡

  • katy ✨
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    126 months ago

    Ironically I’ll go out of my way to buy our support businesses who aren’t American more than I will those that are American