• @wischi@programming.dev
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      Best thing is, they introduced some settings to turn that auto-conversion off and they don’t work 🤣 can’t make that stuff up.

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        I mean, I know of a Microsoft product that allows for a batch import of data provided in an Excel file. You need to use their template file. Which, when used, automatically formats all dates the American way, ignoring your locale settings. Depending on which date is first encountered on import (e.g. which date you entered in the first line) then designates whether the whole file is imported with dates read as MM/DD/YYYY or DD/MM/YYYY.

        You start your list on January 1st? It will import everything as MM/DD/YYYY then. You start you list on e.g. January 22nd? DD/MM/YYYY it is then. Good luck getting that import running without errors…

      • @mmddmm@lemm.ee
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        Nothing works in Excel. Excel will do what it wants.

        But that doesn’t stop the MS support and a thousand stupid people from claiming “oh, you just have to format it as text, are you dumb or what”…

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    Not OP, but let’s make this better:

    PS: i doubt anyone here would honestly say “damn, that’s beyond my skill”, which goes to show that “not everyone can draw” is a bullshit argument for using AI to make comics

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    Honestly, for a community (lemmy) that wanted to get away from corporate stuff (reddit) it pains me to see how even the most basic thing to draw is being delegated to Ai (corporations).

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      I’ve come to the conclusion in the last couple weeks I simply can’t identify AI images anymore. I have no clue what about this makes everyone call it out as AI, and there’s have been many such instances of this happening with me lately. I’m going to get modern day Nigerian princed when I’m older I can feel it in my bones

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        The reason this one is blatant AI is that the imagery doesn’t make any sense. Why is the glass of water itself the optimist?

      • Most of it for me is the font. It seems like chatgpt likes to use the same font for everything

        It also kind of feels off somehow. I can’t explain. it, but there’s just something wrong with this image

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          Left guy has 1 arm. Both guys have an arm that melds into the surface that the glass is sitting on. The “optimist” is the glass.

          • @barsoap@lemm.ee
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            Left guy has 1 arm.

            Perspective.

            Both guys have an arm that melds into the surface that the glass is sitting on.

            Nah the arms are in front of the railing.

            The “optimist” is the glass.

            So what it’s visually balanced. I would shy away from reading surrealist meaning into it but it’s not like humans never make that kind of choice.


            The plain fact of the matter is that nowadays it’s often simply impossible to tell, and the people who say “they can always tell” probably never even tried to draw hands or they could distinguish twelve-fingered monstrosities from an artist breaking their pencil in frustration and keeping the resulting line because it’s closer to passing than anything they ever drew before.

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              I agree that the “arm things” are wrong, as it’s pretty clearly just an ‘artistic choice’ that a human could very much do.

              But that said these images are 100% provable to be AI. If you haven’t built up the intuition that immediately tells you it’s AI (it’s fair, most people don’t have unlimited time for looking at AI images), these still have the trademark “subtle texture in flat colors” that basically never shows up in human-made digital art. The blacks aren’t actually perfectly black, but have random noise, and the background color isn’t perfectly uniform, but has random noise.

              This is not visible to the human eye but it can be detected with tools, and it’s an artifact caused by how (I believe diffusion) models work

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                Not using plain RGB black and white isn’t a new thing, neither is randomising. Digital artists might rather go with a uniform watercolour-like background to generate some framing instead of an actual full background but, meh. It’s not a smoking gun by far.

                The one argument that does make me think this is AI was someone saying “Yeah the new ChatGPT tends to use that exact colour combination and font”. Could still be a human artist imitating ChatGPT but preponderance of evidence.

                I can generally spot SD and SDXL generations but on the flipside I know what I’d need to do to obscure the fact that they were used. The main issue with the bulk AI generations I see floating around isn’t that they’re AI generated, it’s that they were generated by people with not even a hint of an artistic eye. Or vision.

                But that doesn’t really matter in this case as this work isn’t about lines on screen, those are just a mechanism to convey a joke about Excel. Could have worked in textual format, the artistry likes with the idea, not in the drawing, or imitation thereof.

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                  The thing missing here is that usually when you do texture, you want to make it visible. The AI ‘watercolor’ is usually extremely subtle, only affecting the 1-2 least significant bits of the color, to the point even with a massive contrast increase it’s hard to notice, and usually it varies pixel by pixel like I guess “white noise” instead of on a larger scale like you’d expect from watercolor

                  (it also affects the black lines, which starts being really odd)

                  I guess it isn’t really a 100% proof, but it’s at least 99% as I can’t find a presumed-human made comic that has it, yet every single “looks like AI” comic seems to have it

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        Same here. I did not think twice about this picture or a few other posts in the past and yet there are pitchforks in the comments and I think to myself “What are you all on about?”. I rue how unrecognizable AI “slop” has gotten.

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          Left person also missing an arm. The shapes seem too perfect, like too circular, distance between them too. Their arms also ho into the line, which is a table?

          It’s all just so odd.

    • @cm0002@lemmy.worldOP
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      thing to draw is being delegated to Ai (corporations).

      But, not all AI is corporate run, there’s plenty of AI models to choose from that are open source including image generation models

      And actually, image generation models are much easier to run on “affordable” consumer hardware than LLMs

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          Sorry for the misunderstanding, this was a crosspost, I didn’t generate it. But image searching shows a few matches elsewhere, so I doubt who I crossposted it from generated it either

    • @Alpha71@lemmy.world
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      I hate this take. Not everyone can afford to pay for art or have the ability to draw.People need to get off AI’s back and instead of complaining, figure out how to deal with it. Because it’s not going anywhere.

      • @Demdaru@lemmy.world
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        You are aware that even if you make stickmans, people will appreciate it if the meme is good, right?

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        Don’t talk about ability to draw as though it’s some sort of elitist trait denied to the working class. People who can draw can do so because they put the hours in.

        If you can’t be bothered putting the effort in when expressing yourself, why the hell should anyone else be interested in what you have to say?

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          I don’t have enough time to learn I have to work to try and live the bleak few hours of life I get to myself a week. honestly with AI our bosses expect more it’s slowing down

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            You have my sympathies, but that still doesn’t mean you get to post complete nonsensical garbage where a glass of water is talking for no reason, that took you less effort to create than it did to read, and expect people to not tell you to jog on, when there’s a whole wealth of creative artists out there who are putting in the energy but getting their space flooded with slop.

            The web has objectively become much, much worse in the past 12 months because quality is getting drowned out by quantity.

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              but that still doesn’t mean you get to post complete nonsensical garbage where a glass of water is talking for no reason

              How dare Dali paint pictures with melting clocks! If the clocks really were hot enough to melt, they would set the tree they’re melting on ablaze!!!11

              I get it. Artists are afraid of their income. But with those kinds of takes, “AI bad because surrealism” I can’t take you seriously as an artist so I guess nothing would be lost.

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                Surrealism is not nonsense. It has a purpose, even if that purpose is hard to tell. If you think Dali and AI slop is the same, you don’t understand either.

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                  Fine. If it’s offending your senses too much to be tame surrealism, call it dada. If you think that replacing a person with an object cannot be an artistic choice, you… well, haven’t seen much art.

                  Note that I’m not arguing for or against AI here. I’m saying that your critique of AI is slop.

              • This Excel joke is pulling on 100 years of surrealist cultural history? That’s incredible.

                As a connoisseur, maybe you can explain why the oversized glass is talking about itself to me.

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                  As a connoisseur, maybe you can explain why the oversized glass is talking about itself to me.

                  Because the artist – the human, not the AI, that is – decided that it should. Maybe just with a chuckle, no deeper meaning, wouldn’t be the first time that happens (much to the chagrin of the academic art world).

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          Because the idea behind it is good? You’re confusing art and craft. Why should anyone be interested in a urinal on a pedestal? The work is defined not by whether or not you can buy its physical representation in any random hardware store, I thought we had that one figured out.

          Also there’s literally zero people who would pay someone a commission to draw this piece. You’re not looking at lost work you’re looking at additional art. Without AI (if it is AI) it might have still existed but in stick figure form and that would be better because…? The idea has better expression as a chicken scratch? I don’t think so.

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              The toilet isn’t the interesting thing, the interesting thing is how there’s now authorised replicas in museums (the original is lost) signifying the discussion around art perception, not the art itself. Looking at one doesn’t give you more insight than reading “and he put a urinal on a pedestal” in a textbook. It’s a fucking urinal. The piece having no meaning onto itself was part of the point, it’s all in the context. Yet, somehow, the replicas are authorised. A true rebel museum would forego getting an authorised one and buy a random one off the shelf, then proclaim it to be original.

              You can’t go into a room carrying a plucked chicken, proclaiming “behold, a human!” without there being Aristotelians around. Well you can but noone would talk about it millennia later.

              • buy a random [urinal] off the shelf, then proclaim it to be original.

                This is profoundly offensive to art history, actually. A museum?

                People go to great lengths to preserve CRT setups for old video games, but you’re like “nah, a TV is as good as any other.”

                Dude, your contempt for art is insane. I’m telling you, you’re jealous that I respect the profane and “meaningless” urinal and not your AI toys.

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                  Being profoundly offensive is the only way to do the work justice. To actually recreate it is not to recreate the original form, but the reaction it caused. The very point of the work includes that any urinal is just as good as any other, so why the pretence that this particular shape, the “R. Mutt” signature, has significance?

                  Looking at the replicas is like praying to ashes. I’m talking about passing on the fire.

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        Not everyone … have the ability to draw

        I’m pretty sure anyone can draw stick figures.

        Because it’s not going anywhere.

        A lot of bad things are “not going anywhere”. We can still try to have less of them.

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        AI is like a housefire. Nobody wants it. Nobody needs it. It’s just a bad thing, and if someone sees it, they’re more than justified in being upset and trying to get rid of it. Don’t defend the fire, or you’ll be the first to burn.

      • stebo
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        oh cmon this is just a line drawing, surely no one asked an AI to create a line drawing right?

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          I actually have no idea, it just looks like an AI drawing to me. The fact that the glass is answering makes it a bit sus

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            yeah I agree there’s a lot of things off, like the glass speaking, it being way too big and the inconsistency in the way the people are drawn

          • stebo
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            in my experience, tineye doesn’t find any matches ever

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                I also noticed how it suddenly went from great to crap.

                But the real reason I think is ironically AI. It used to be that you could easily crawl the web, but after the AI craze, images suddenly became valuable to crawl and every website gets bombarded by scrapers, and are adding more and more countermeasures to make it more difficult, so tineye’s own image scraper probably can’t compete with them and so can’t find any new images

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    it’s funny how you can tell at a glance exactly what model generated this image, just based off the background color

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    Someone explain to me why i have a sense for ai? This is like the fourth time this week i see an ai image and i spotted it even tho at first i hadnt seen the mistakes the ai made. Something just feels off in ai pictures and i cant really pin down what it is. But when i see one i can just spot it for some reason.

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        It’s become such a reliable tell that I’m genuinely curious why AI seems to think that cartoon images MUST look like they’re drawn on old paper.

        EDIT: The AI answer I got when asking Google was about what I’d expect, but this last bit I hadn’t considered:

        Sepia tones can help unify the color palette of an image, making it more visually cohesive and pleasing. This could be a factor in the AI’s decision to use sepia, as it can contribute to a sense of order and harmony in the generated image.

        So it uses it to try and make it more visually appealing to a wide audience, leading to it looking even more bland and uninspired.

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      There’s also some artifacting around the lines that are reminiscent of JPEG, but not kind of that, and it seems like the text is superimposed onto it in a second or third pass by an external tool to make it look more consistent.

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    Yesterday I laughed at this, today Excel stripped leading zeros from a sheet of UPCs and converted them to floating point.

    Also format as Text apparently means nothing

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        Is that like an error code for excel?

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          Nah just stupid number formatting, my UPCs regularly turn into scientific notation or my UOM automatically convert to a string =“12” which ruins math operations so first I have to make a helper column =NUMBERVALUE([@UOM]).

          Or being unable to convert datetime to a simple date for date calculations without loading the table into power query and transforming it there. You can change the format into short date but if the actual value is datetime it will still throw an error but now the type issue is hidden, so have fun reading docs and troubleshooting until you realize your mistake :)

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            You can make a date from a datetime in cell A1 with

            =Date(year(A1), month(A1), day(A1))