My bad. Thank you for clarifying!

My bad. Thank you for clarifying!

> plus sudden updates that nuke active applications.

This is not what’s supposed to happen. If an app installed through flatpak is active while it’s receiving an update, then the update is not supposed to affect the running application until it’s closed/restarted.

Edit: Somehow I didn’t realize the concern was raised against Snap and not Flatpak.

I agree that flatpak should just invoke flatpak uninstall --unused right after uninstalling a flatpak. I don’t get why it doesn’t do this automatically. Granted, some distro package managers (used to) operate somewhat similarly in that they required the autoremove option.

They have their place, but they can’t really completely replace traditional distros.

As it stands, I kinda agree. But I truly wonder to what extent we might be able to close the current gap.

Would you mind elaborating?

Packages are out of date even in the unstable branch (I know it’s unfair since it’s not trying to be a rolling release… but… but…)

Sure, some packages are outdated. But in terms of percentage of up-to-date packages, it’s (AFAIK) the best out of any distro repo. And that’s perhaps even more impressive of a feat when realizing it also sports the biggest repo. For actual stats: https://repology.org/repositories/statistics/pnewest

I wish you the best of luck at/with whatever you end up doing! May your system be protected from bit rot, config drift and/or problems caused by hidden state!

Thank you! I’m looking forward to what y’all are cooking for us.

Immutable structure creates difficulties for customization (more applicable to desktop systems than handhelds/custom consoles).

FWIW, it seems that 2/3 of Bazzite’s user base uses it (primarily) as a game console anyways.

My apologies fam for not being able to help out much (if at all) 😅. FWIW, for related~ish reasons, I intend to explore the waters of NixOS within a couple of weeks. What are your plans?

Alright, I very much appreciate you for sharing those articles; it allows me to get into the nitty-gritty of things. Thank you!

As someone who champions the (ongoing) paradigm shift towards atomic/declarative/immutable/stateless systems, I can’t but admire the effort to (IIUC):

• Have changing the base of the system without requiring a reboot as a first-class design goal that’s well supported (unlike Fedora Atomic)
• Employ a hash + store system that doesn’t require forsaking the FHS nor enforces a DSL (unlike NixOS)
• Accomplish the above on a long-standing independent project, so that we can (on one hand) trust the longevity of the project AND (on the other hand) know that it isn’t actively resisting its upstream (unlike many other smaller projects, some of which are found here)

While glancing over the many articles, I couldn’t really find anything related to declarative system management. Is this something the project intends to tackle eventually?

This sounds pretty exciting. Thank you so much for your continued contributions!

In the future the plan is for Solus to use AerynOS tooling and on their side development is going rapidly.

Should I interpret this as Solus going ‘immutable’? Or is it something else?

Apologies for the late response. And this is probs not what you’d like to hear. But I’ve heard some industry veterans refer to this as an inevitability of the ‘old’ model. I believe a radical approach is required to prevent this from happening the next time. Wish ya good luck fam!

Fam, with all due respect, and please correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think you’ve ‘properly’ engaged with my previous reply. Don’t get me wrong, it’s your absolute prerogative to disregard/move-on/disengage/let-go especially if you’re already moved on. The daunting task to read a wall of text concerning a subject you’ve internally closed/‘solved’ ain’t everyone’s cup of tea anyways. The reason I’ve brought this up, is because most of how I would respond to your latest reply is already contained within my previous reply 😅. As such, I will refrain from reiterating what I’ve said before for the sake of brevity. Instead, I’ll try to strictly address the unaddressed. I’ll also take the liberty to assume that you’re not a fan of consuming long-form content. This will also be reflected in the remainder of this reply.

my phrasing gave everyone else enough information that they could just suggest a distro

Suggesting a distro ain’t hard; CTRL + click here consecutively to get a random stream of distros. Even if we would limit it to the union of gaming distros with (semi-)rolling release distros, there’s a lot to choose from. As such, mentioning what’s out there ain’t impressive. But expertly navigating between them sure as hell is.

Granted, suggesting a (new) distro wasn’t even the objective. You wanted comparisons… Or, rather, I assumed you did.

CachyOS was baremetal on my machine.

It would probably have saved us both a bunch of trouble if you had been transparent/explicit about this. I can’t read your mind nor do I like to assume stuff.

but instead asked for a comparison between three distros that were (somehow) selected by you.

They’re all gaming distros, dude. I felt like that was evident.

Please allow me to clarify that it wasn’t entirely clear why these gaming distros were specifically selected, while others like CachyOS, ChimeraOS, DraugerOS, Jovian-NixOS, PikaOS and Regata OS were not.

I’m sorry this whole post discussion has not gone the way you wanted

Fam, I got literally no stakes in this discussion. Apologies if I made you uncomfortable (or something) by making you think otherwise. I was merely in it to help/assist/support/aid you to the best of my abilities. For this, I required more input so that I wouldn’t have to succumb you under multiple walls of text. I didn’t think asking you to answer “could you perhaps be more clear on what it is you’d like to tinker/tweak/customize in the first place? Please, if possible, be explicit.” was unreasonable. But perhaps I was wrong.

but it’s gone the way I wanted. And I believe I’ve found something that works for me.

I sure hope so, fam. I wouldn’t want to see you return with your tail between your legs.

I’ve installed it through secureblue’s ujust script. I think this has been the smoothest experience I’ve had with it on Fedora Atomic.

Previously, I relied on the wireguard profiles I downloaded from ProtonVPN and which I loaded through NetworkManager. While it definitely worked, it was a hassle to redo it every now and then. Furthermore, switching on the go to something else I hadn’t loaded already was never an experience I enjoyed doing.

Though, for completeness’ sake, ProtonVPN^[1] hasn’t fixed its IP leakage on Linux. And, to my knowledge, the workaround is only available with access to the wireguard profiles. And thus, the cumbersome method actually offers a very tangible merit over the comfortable one.

Finally, while I don’t endorse the use of NordVPN, it’s the only other VPN that’s installable as a sysext. Note that systemd system extensions are still experimental, though. Even if they’ve (read: N=1) been reliable to use for me.

Tekte türkçe konuştuğumu bildin.

Ee, ne demişler: Tek akıllı sen değilsin 😉.

Immutable dağıtımlardan birini şu an ki Fedora KDE ile dualboot edeceğim

Eyv, ama dikkat et, o iş biraz karışık bir mesele. Şu bulduğum iki kaynağa mutlaka başvur ki güzelim sistemin b*k uğruna güme gitmesin.

yoksa beni bir yerden tanıyor musun?

Yoo. Sadece “Bu eleman hangi distro’yu kullanıyor acaba?” diye merak edip profiline göz atınca fark ettim ki… meğer babacan Türkiyeliymiş.

İçimden, “Bunca lafın üzerine kankim asaletine yakışanı yapar da bir teşekkürü esirgemez herhalde,” diye düşünmüştüm. Ama maalesef, Türkiyeli olması hasebiyle daha level atlayamamış 😂. Olsun, demek ki henüz kalkınma vakti gelmemiş 🤣.

Apologies for the ‘spam’, but I was afraid editing my previous message would be in vain. If you desire/crave for decent documentation, then Bazzite deserves another endorsement. While its documentation isn’t as expansive as the excellent ArchWiki, it should be more than able to answer your questions.

Secondly, if you happen to come across an issue that has been painstakingly difficult to resolve, then please consider consulting its many community channels for support. There’s a Discourse, a Discord and an AnswerOverflow. So pick your poison 😉. FWIW, I’ve always had great experiences on their Discord.

Excellent choice fam! However, as much as I adore Fedora Kinoite, it might not provide the best onboarding 😅. If you’re fine with that, then please feel free to go ahead and embark on your journey. However, I would suggest you to at least look into uBlue’s offerings:

• All operate within the paradigm of providing a so-called “batteries-included” product. So, going through the whole mumbo jumbo of RPM Fusion’s Howtos to see what’s relevant for you to apply and painstakingly waiting for them to be applied can be skipped.
• Furthermore, based on your precise needs, you can choose to adopt more opinionated variants:
  • Aurora is their general use KDE variant
  • Bazzite, on the other hand, is their game ready variant that defaults to KDE
• Or, if you prefer a minimal installation, you can choose to install their base images instead. These basically offer Fedora’s images (including Kinoite) with the absolute minimal of hardware enablement and other essential uBlue goodies.
• If you are a system crafter at heart, then perhaps you’re more attracted towards creating your own bootc image. This can be achieved by uBlue’s own image-template OR through the community-effort in BlueBuild.

Regardless, fam, enjoy! And please consider to report back on your findings 😉! I would love to read your adventures of venturing the exotic waters of Fedora Atomic 😊!