given what domains we’re hosted on; i think we’ve both had a version of this conversation about a thousand times, and both ended up where we ended up. do you want us to explain hypothetically-at-but-mostly-past each other again? I can do it while un-sober, if you like.
yeah. it’s pretty fucked. hopefully it’s temporary.
so do we make everything inaccessible to everyone, or just inaccessible to disabled people? we don’t have a way to include them yet. we should work on it, but we are not the ones who fucked accessibility.
yeah. search engine web crawlers are a public service. they are responsible. but we are in a conflict. we must struggle tooth and nail against capital for every nice thing.
that’s the entire point of laws, though, and it was already being used for that.
giving the laws better law stuff will not improve them. the law is malevolent. you cannot fix it by offering to help.
I don’t need it to not exist. I need it to stay the fuck out of everyone’s lives unless they work in a lab of some kind.
see, it’s not actually useful. it’s a tomogatchi. do you remember those? no, you fucking don’t.
no, responding to a comment about exactly that thing.
nothing can be improved while capitalism or authority exist; all improvement will be seized and used to oppress.
I dunno. I don’t find any sympathy with any of these fuckers though. this is not a generally useful technology, it is not something the average person ever needs to see, and honestly, just fuck em. Fuck anyone messing with open source to engorge the garbage dispenser.
and the data for the LLM is now salted with procedural garbage. it’s great!
If you’re dumb enough and care little enough about the truth, I’m not really going to try coming at you with rationality and sense. I’m down to do an accelerationism here. fuck it. burn it down.
remember; these companies all run at a loss. if we can hold them off for a while, they’ll stop getting so much investment.
might hit a few times, or maybe there’s a version that can puff stuff up the data in the sense of space, and salt it in the sense of utility.
to be fair, up until that point, hijacking usually just meant a detour. there was good reason for them to think that.
no. well, not accurately.
which doesn’t mean you’re safe. it means compliance will not protect you-you could do everything right, and get nabbed anyway. shit’s gonna get messy…
the more imaginable scenario is that they always go for the edgiest fuckers, at a certain pace. that’s within their bounds to easily identify without wasting resources they need to fight other state level actors on it, and as long as you’re just a little less than the edgiest fuckers currently posting (oops) you’re probably fine. it will just be a slow ratcheting hand around your neck, that strangles you by millimeters, but you can just think of it as a really really high stakes version of reddit, if you need a familiar frame of reference.
don’t worry though; they’ll also be messy about this, and get a TON of the wrong people.
because finding the specific stuff they said, which was in lovelace’s case very broad/vague, and in turing+minsky’s cases, far too technical for anyone with sam altman’s dick in their mouth to understand, sounds like actual work. if you’re genuinely curious, you can look up what they had to say. if you’re just here to argue for this shit, you’re not worth the effort.
i hear there’s a tool called (I think) ‘nepenthe’ that creates a loop for an LLM, if you use that in combination with a fairly tight blacklist of IP’s you’re certain are LLM crawlers, I bet you could do a lot of damage, and maybe make them slow their shit down, or do this in a more reasonable way.
take the resources from them so they don’t have them anymore. infiltrating the teams that do this and exposing or sabotaging the effort. literally fighting back, possibly in ways that involve giving the CEO’s and prominent investors a free trip to an old coal mine.
short of that…
oh honey. we’re so fucking far past that.
remember to get paid under the table whenever you can, so they can’t garnish your wages. you might take a pay hit, but it will be a smaller bite than your loans take.
I have been shouting this for years. Turing and Minsky were pretty up front about this when they dropped this line of research in like 1952, even lovelace predicted this would be bullshit back before the first computer had been built.
The fact nothing got optimized, and it still didn’t collapse, after deepseek? kind of gave the whole game away. there’s something else going on here. this isn’t about the technology, because there is no meaningful technology here.
I have been called a killjoy luddite by reddit-brained morons almost every time.
you’re a healthier person than I.
cool, but where do you get them? you can’t, right? because they were stupid?