Whatever damn fool did this has just made the situation about a million times worse. I don’t give a shit who did this, it was the worst move you could have made at the worst time you could have made it.
And those of you jumping to immediate conspiracy theories need to stop and think about how much we tend to make fun of Republicans for doing literally the exact same thing. Us spending the next 3 days circlejerking each other off our own bullshit conspiracy theories isn’t gonna help the situation, its just gonna make us all look like a bunch of hypocrites. Wait a few days, get whatever info they are willing to give us, and then try to figure out what happened. If it still looks fake or like a false flag or whatever the fuck after that point, whatever. but for gods sake use some critical thinking to get there instead of jumping to conclusions with no info.
For what its worth, I am extremely anti-trump, I am scared shitless of what will happen should he win a second term. But dear god, please think about the way you all are acting, when you act like the same kind of psychopaths you claim to stand against it is not a good look. please consider that before you post.
Why are people screaming and afraid? Guns are a part of society in America. Unless… they’re dangerous…
The secret service didn’t let anyone but the shooter have a gun, so everyone’s feeling awkward
They just witnessed a 2A activist have his rights trampled by the secret service!
Literally the point of 2A. At least according to them.
If it were biden the supreme court would rule that assassination attempts are speech and protected by the 1A.
The secret service, authorized to use lethal force, no less.
Plus I thought they were all the shall not be infringed people
Guns are fine unless they’re aimed at me.
- Some Republican probably
Maybe it was an official act of Biden, then it’s not a crime. Nothing to see here, just as wanted by SCOTUS.
The supreme Court has found any act Biden does is unofficial
I wish I could upvote this twice lol
Funny and apropos, but too soon
Could history please have the decency not to re-enact how Hitler survived dozens of assassination attempts?
This is exactly what I’m afraid of.
I’m afraid he is going to ride this into the White House or it ignites open political shootings. Not a good time.
Oh, he is definitely getting reelected. That is an absolute certainty at this point.
It will galvanize his base, who were already voting for him, to be sure. But I doubt this will swing many voters. Trump is still Trump, regardless of assassination attempt.
But I doubt this will swing many voters.
Then you are incredibly historically naive. He was already winning by every available metric. So, if nothing had changed at all there was already an extremely high likelihood of him being reelected. This only serves to further strengthen his chances.
I don’t think people really understand how stupid, brainwashed, and weak minded the average American truly is. There are plenty of people who will vote for him because surviving an assassination attempt makes him look strong. Count on it.
He was already winning by every available metric.
I just looked for myself, and NPR/PBS survey has Biden ahead. Many other polls have it basically tied. A few have Trump in the lead by 2-3 points.
I wouldn’t personally call that winning by every available metric, although I would agree with you that it looks like Trump has a slight lead.
Were those national popular vote polls? If so, you have to factor in the electoral advantage Republicans have. If the national popular vote is tied, Republicans will win.
Individual polls are meaningless. I only care about the trends of the the aggregate polling. Five Thirty Eight has had Trump leading by an average of 2 points in aggregate polling basically from the beginning. There has never been a time where Biden was ahead during this election cycle. Therefore, using the available metrics it is clear that Donald Trump is on the path to returning to the White House.
You could make points without calling the other person naive. No need to make the internet a worse place.
As far as “every available metric” goes, you’re talking polls, and polls are garbage. Every poll had Clinton winning in late October 2016.
And we’re in an unprecedented portion of politics in American history, so bringing up historical measurements doesn’t convince me like you think it would.
No need to make the internet a worse place.
More Reddit-y here by the day…
We will see who did the proper analysis in 4 months time. I’m really hoping it won’t be me. Unfortunately, I am also certain that I am correct.
You’re confusing the average American with the republikkklown voters. That’s not even close to average. The average voter knows he’s a racist rapist with 34 felonies that caused a failed insurrection. They won’t forget. They will vote and your wanna be dictator will do what he’s best at… LOSING.
I know you want to stick me in that bubble to make yourself feel better. I hated Donald Trump long before 2016. I knew about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein before that name was even in the public lexicon. I’ve been following the downfall of the Amerikan Empire since as long as I have been politically aware. This is just the latest dominoe to fall.
there’s still time to stop this. hoping for a hero.
Haha that was my second thought (my first one was shock that something like that can happen - it means dangerous times are coming for democracy)
Fuck, things are likely going to start really escalating now.
His base is going to go into overdrive, for sure.
Thoughts and prayers
I, too, will be doing nothing
😂
The people that down voted you obviously don’t get it.
You’re “own” isn’t an own at all. Prayers are important. Especially for the now deceased shooter, his family and the victims (including Trump). Lots of callousness in this thread.
Since when have prayers changed things? Oh, right, never.
This was the worst possible outcome. Unless someone intends on finishing the job it may as well be his election now.
He’ll spend the rest of the election telling people how strong he is, how Biden could not have survived and he’ll use the attack to validate all his claims of Democrat corruption/Republican righteousness.
It seem like he was hit. Blood was on his right ear in one shot. Unclear if that’s because he was hit there or if he touched it after touching something else bloody.
He was escorted away on foot with secret service.
Edit: reports that one bystander and the shooter are now dead.
Claims the suspect was a man named Mark Violets. (This ID may be wrong no official sources covering this)
Biden condemns the act.
(I hate the source, F this guy) but here’s him being ushered off the stage after… https://x.com/stillgray/status/1812250467071885730
Edit: his base is going to be insanely fired up now. I’m genuinely scared about what’s going to happen now. I can see it already “the deep state tried to stop him and God saved Trump!” ugh.
Yeah this is not going to result in anything good. I keep thinking about what’s happened after Robert Fico got shot, basically how it’s being used as a confirmation of everything bad his supporters believe about his opponents and as a justification for further sliding into authoritarianism
Yeah, this is my real fear with all of this. Trump is definitely going to feed on his new victimhood to further rally his supporters and make them more extreme.
Yep.
I fully expect at least several “retaliatory” attacks against democrats in the next week by rabid MAGAts.
Edit Suprised the mods havent deleted this yet, consindering how hog wild they are going and labeling everything conspiracy and deleting it.
Non x source, c-span: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5123735/shots-fired-trump-rally
So at the end there…
expressing their feelings about news media? Unless there’s someone with a blue hat somewhere behind the camera (or they were leading the perp away back there). All speculation here to be clear, not that it’s too critical of an issue in the larger scheme of the incident.
This fucking idiot was being shot at, and he refuses to get off the stage so he can fist up rile the crowd?
Demanding his shoes was also interesting.
it used to be shoes off = dead.
Does he take them off during a speech and put them back on when he’s done? What’s the full shoestory?
NBC was reporting that the crowd had turned on the press, which may be what’s happening here… but again, speculation.
What happens next was going to happen eventually anyways. It’s been too late for a long time.
I’m finding it so bizarre to witness this mass cognitive dissonance where people can make the connection to Hitler’s rise to power, but not to the heroic act so many claim they would perform themselves if they had a time machine…
It’s almost like they need a few million marginalised people to die first, just to be sure…
Probably true.
It could easily be blood from falling to the ground or even getting jumped on by the secret service, old people bleed easily.
I’d be amazed if that was blood from a gunshot, if it was he missed dying by literally an inch.
You can see him grab his ear pretty clearly when it all starts, he got hit by something.
Yeah but on the pics I saw his ear looked fine, it had blood on it, but still totally normal. I guess it might have been blood from someone nearby that hit him? If rumors are true someone got shot in the head, that tends to splatter some blood.
I didn’t see any videos posted yet. So it was just speculation on my part.
Thanks for your contribution
Less than that
It could have been a round that basically took apart his right ear, or took a chunk out of it.
It looks like it’s coming both from his ear and his mouth. I’m guessing the mouth part is from being tackled by the Secret Service.
Edit: there’s a photo of him on the ground with the blood clearly coming from his ear. I think the only injury was the ear. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/possible-shots-fired-at-trump-rally-in-butler-pennsylvania/
I wonder whether that agent was just waiting for his chance to clock him good
The shooter is dead? Did someone just say this on live TV? Who?
Source pleaaaase.
Only bystander I’ve heard about being hit is Wolf interviewing a guy who says he saw a General with a gunshot wound to the head.
Officers removing the body.Well fuck. Yep, CNN is now saying the shooter is dead.
Guy was actually dumb enough to do it from inside the crowd, and he got murdered by them.
What a shitshow.
EDIT: Shooter is dead, but was not in the crowd. Was on a building’s roof outside the event and got obliterated by counter sniper fire.
He was reported to have been shot in the head, thus the so-far lack of images showing what may be quite a mutilated head.
Saw this from my wife
Why were people Scared? Guns are SAFE! Guns are SO SAFE that they’re trying to FORCE them into Schools! It would be INCREDIBLY FUCKED UP if the same people who RAN AWAY from the Guns want to FORCE OUR KIDS into that Situation EVERY DAY!
Honestly, folks didn’t look that scared. I’d have been diving the fuck off those bleachers, but not these magas.
There were two dudes that didn’t even know what was happening. Like one guy looked like he was the offensive head coach waiting for the referee/official to announce the reason for the flag on the play and the other guy was wondering if Slash from Guns N Roses was coming out.
It’s funny I was replaying the vid on slowmo and noticed that guy on the right, but not the guy on the left. That’s kinda weird.
Oh look it’s JFK Jr.
So 3 shots fired (rest were more rapid, so looked like SS responding), 2 people died, only trump get out of it without any major issue. A grazed ear implies that he survived by mere centimeters.
Then when going to the car he is mouthing “fight, fight, fight”. I’m sorry, but this is a very odd reaction for somebody that nearly died today.
He was trying to get people rioting on J6 (but that while succeeded, fortunately got stopped), he tried people to riot when he had criminal trial (didn’t work at all), and now in the heat of the moment, he thought that was perfect time to try it again?
For sake of everyone I hope this will also be unsuccessful. I’m glad Democrats quickly condemned this (this is something we quite missed in 2017-2020 when similar events happened).
Okay, I’ve gotten over my initial shock of this. Clearly this shouldn’t have happened but this is the same guy who said his VP should be hanged, and he himself has called for political violence against his enemies many, many times
I am glad that decent politicians are condemning this attack, as they should. But I think it makes sense to put this incident in perspective, Trump has promoted and supported political violence himself many times before this, including on Jan 6th
Without evidence so many of you calling it fake. I guess we’re no smarter than the wackjobs
Please let the shooter be a white dude. If he is any minority group they’re gonna be the first to get the supreme Court treatment when he takes power, which seems inevitable now.
The time traveler sent back to alter our timeline wasn’t a very good shot.
Just slow it down, I’ll shoot Hitler out the window… Darn! I hit Eleanor Roosevelt by mistake!
John Titor returns
There’s a wild ass theory out there about Trump being him. Since his uncle bought all of Tesla stuff.
That’s because another time traveler was sent by the bad guys to stop him. But then another time traveler was sent to stop that dude. But he tripped up the first time traveler by accident. So the good guys sent another time traveler to stop their own man from messing up the original time traveler. But then the bad guys sent a time traveler, but he failed to materialize. So they tried again, but this dude actually caused the previous dude not to materialize. So they sent another to a more remote location, but his car broke down before he could make it. So they spent a lot of time training someone to fix ancient cars, but then when that dude arrived he nerded out too hard because the car they got was really cool. So they sent another, but this one was stopped by another traveler from the good guys. Turned out these dudes knew each other and played both sides to escape their distopian world and live in the past to grow old together.
This is the worst possible scenario.
Just wondering would it be any better if he was shot dead?
No one can replace him in the cult of personality. That’s kind of how it works. Now he’s a living martyr. The worst kind.
That didn’t answer my question.
Yes it did, you just don’t like how I avoided the answer you wanted to see.
I don’t know what do you think I wanted. I wanted to understand what American people think. If they like to avoid hard answers, it seems very similar to avoiding necessary solutions (at this point it may seem I support violence but I don’t). The scenario is becoming bad but everyone seems fine just doing nothing, as if people lost the right to affect anything.
