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People. We, the French, pulled a left-wing coalition out of our asses in less than a week and managed to “win” an election. You have months. Hope is permitted.
I don’t understand you people in this thread.
Ever since the debate, people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down from the presidential race and give the place to someone else.
Now I read the comments and everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they’re doing? Are you for real? They’re doing EXACTLY what people have been asking for. They’re doing EXACTLY what needs to be done if they want to win.
Fucking hell you guys, make up your fucking mind.
Sincerely,
A Canadian with severe anxiety over your next presidential election.
I’ll say just one thing:
Every single one of you assholes who wouldn’t shut up about him stepping down since the dude missed the toilet bowl fifty years ago after a particularly wild night out better sure as fuck step up now that Old Joe has stepped down.
A sitting god damned President of the United States has stepped aside less than half a year before reelection. Make no mistake: The man swallowed his pride and ego HARD to make this decision. Let’s honor that by creating a wall of votes so god. damned. thick. Riley Reid would gasp.
I know people will say this is bad, a new campaign will be rushed, etc. But I think we all know Biden was an excuse for many not to vote, or worse, to vote for Trump. Withdrawing will be his legacy when we win, not his failing.
Thank you President Biden. You are a hero.
Biden absolutely did the right thing and, perhaps, the most courageous thing.
Democrats would have coalesced around him if decided to keep going but we’ve been begging him to step aside. This is a key difference between Trump “fans” and Biden voters. We’re not drawn to him as a personality.
Once a candidate is selected, I don’t care who it is, we must support them because not doing so is voting for an end to democracy.
The fact that we’re here is a travesty.
People have done more with less campaign time and he will go down as having listened and done what was requested of the people and party I honestly think this says a lot of good stuff about the democratic party and Biden once we get the spin right.
It’ll be great to have a woman talking about abortion and making this election a referendum on national abortion access.
Americans love to vote for something rather than against something.
Nobody who would consider voting for Trump is going to vote for whoever replaces Biden. Nobody. This is about getting apathetic voters off their butt. Which I hope works, but every part of my being is telling me they’re going to pick someone who apathetic voters wouldn’t vote for anyway.
The biggest hot-topic issue this election should have been abortion (and by extension, SCOTUS). But the discussion got side-tracked by all this talk of old age. The debate just reinforced the narrative and concern with Biden. They would have hammered him over and over, with Trump bragging about how quickly he recovered from an injury.
Now, we have:
- A sittingVP with actual Whitehouse experience, who can take credit for all the economic policies under Biden. Also, a former Senator.
- A prosecutor and former Attorney General vs a convicted felon.
- The age issue disappears (in fact, it now becomes a liability against Trump).
- A woman vs the guy who bragged about killing Roe v. Wade.
- Future of SCOTUS.
If she just keeps talking about those topics non-stop, she’ll do fine.
The only thing better would have been if Biden had resigned to let people see her in the actual role, but this works. She picks a mid-westerner as VP who can stand up to Vance and it’s a whole new ballgame.
I’m actually stoked about this race again.
Well guys… Have you seen Trump’s mental decline since he last ran?! How old is he now?
Surely nobody would be dumb enough to vote someone that old into office now… That is… What we have been saying? Right guys?
That’s why I’m never gonna cancel my USA subscription. Your shows always have a crazy twist right before the season finale.
Jokes aside: Not a single person who even considers voting for Trump is worth any hassle. Their vote is a coin flip on fucking acid. The dems should try to animate the lazy nonvoting pricks.
Jesus, I hope they can piece a campaign together in the few remaining months
It would be an awful lot easier than trying to salvage Biden’s image as it stands. If they do it right this should be super easy, but if they drag their heels on the changes necessary then it might be a lot harder.
This is BIG opportunity to rebrand and show what really matters to the party.
This is the perfect opportunity to do that! But I have absolutely zero faith in them actually doing that.
But maybe I’ve become jaded in my age with politics. Maybe they won’t just choose the worst possible option.
Maybe they won’t just choose the worst possible option.
Her turn 2.0 watch out yall here comes Hillary! /$
Lol seriously.
Also “Her Turn” as a campaign slogan was so bad.
I think the fact that the party was willing to do this says a lot. They’ve already avoided the worst possible option, I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
I’m sure it will all work out when Republicans contest the new candidate… Fuck me what is this idiocy.
Are they going to force Biden to run against his will or what is the plan here? If Biden dies, are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.
are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.
Bingo.
Yeah this was the point all along
Dems haven’t even officially nominated anyone yet, dont think the republicans would get very far with that stunt
Who’s going to stop them? The Supreme Court?
If you think they’re that off the rails then they don’t need this as a premise to challenge Democrats in the first place.
The thing is, it’s not the Democratic Party replacing Biden anymore. Biden has willfully stepped down, and given his support to Harris. To put it another way, Biden is no longer “being replaced”.
But, that may not matter in the long run. The question now is when/if Republicans take this to court, and whether or not the judge decides to hear the case or not and how long that will take.
As far as I know, judges have historically decided not to pursue a case if it would impede the election process (e.g., gerrymandered district ruled illegal, but still used because not enough time to redraw maps). I would like to hope that the Democratic Party gets the same curtsy in this case.
However, I feel that right now given the current political climate, and the current way judges have been deciding in favor of the Republican agenda, this may not be the case and the new candidate will be tied up in legal tape to be able to campaign properly. The Republicans will cease upon this opportunity and use it against the Democratic Party to make them look weak and unable to do anything they say they will do. And to be honest, they won’t be wrong.
Democrats are their own worst enemy, and their hubris will be to all of our detriment.
You can tell it’s a good move when the GOP starts pulling this shit.
from the article
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
But this is the DNC…
Booo the DNC just made an unprecedented pivot which the people actually wanted.
Nervously optimistic, but I’ve been hurt before
It’s not going to be perfect. It’s not going to even inspire people for the next 4 years. What it will do is get us to January where we, hopefully can rightfully calibrate like we should have in 2020. No matter the winner, THIS DOES NOT END IN NOVEMEBER. Remember that.
Was Bidens image really that bad outside of these internet circles?
Yes.
Well Rs certainly hated his guts for totally real reasons
Yeah it was going to be impossible to properly move forward from this. There would be too much media coverage and division and lingering questions.
Now though, we have a real opportunity to unify, and make several arguments to voters – Democrats listened and picked a younger candidate. We can also flip the script on candidate age now
Have you met the DNC?
Yes they can. This is the right choice. Democrats will be more energized than ever now. Hopeful they keep it open to the delegates to vote at the convention after a few people step forward.
Other countries have whole campaign seasons that are shorter. We’ve just gotten used to multi-year campaigns and never-ending reelection efforts. It wasn’t always like this, and I don’t think it’s good for us long-term.
Other countries have pulled out elections in two weeks. The us may not have that experience though. The campaign however had been directed at his opponent’s well known incompetence and malice. That may be the advantage of divisive politics.
They have the media bomb of “no incumbent” leading the headlines. This is one of the only media maneuvers that would change the conversation from “That Trump overcame assassination and adversity!” At this point a major shift was needed.
The year and a half back log of memes against Biden that right wing contractors have saved up are now worthless. The right will have 3 months to make a cohesive media smear campaign (which they can do against the right candidate) but it will require lots of downtime as the high paid think tanks make astroturf.
The fact that Republican troll farms have to now spend time coming up with new material puts a small smile on my face.
They will move swiftly though, while the Democrats are used to being sluggish, so vigilance is in order.
Plenty of other countries’ electoral campaigns advance far faster than Americans expect theirs to move, and US media is talking about politics all the damn time. If the Dems don’t do a massive screw up somehow, I think they’ll find out that switching the candidate will be far easier than they were expecting.
I’m afraid that cancer may have already metastasized.
That cuts both ways. The GOP also has to pivot from “Biden is too old!” to “Trump is NOT too old” in the few remaining months.
Lol… From a foreigner this is hilarious. Some of you still want to support the guy that tried disrupt the governmental process… He called the frigging election investigator FFS. You can listen to him tell her how 'her job is the most important in The country rn… and talk at length about how fraud will be found.
People that want trump want a king. Plain and simple.
Boooo the campaign will be better than what they had in store for biden.
It’s the same campaign, still has half the ticket on it.
Djjdjjdjxdd
Mike Johnson has literally already made it clear that in these circumstances he intends to CONTEST the new candidate being allowed on ballots.
We live in the fucking stupidest ass timeline.
The time for dropping Biden was before the fucking primaries and now we’re walking right the fuck into a Republican trap.
Fuck me, someone just kill me now so Trump can’t institutionally fucking murder me.
Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
Democrats are fuckin morons who want to lose.
Mike Johnson is (as usual) full of shit. The DNC is still a month away and not a single state ballot deadline has passed.
That doesn’t mean they won’t tie this up in the courts I’ve a bogus legal theory that the Supreme Court will turn into a reality… Mark my words, unless Biden packs the court, this one is on Clarence Thomas’s desk stat
Saving this comment for later.
Minus 5 votes, wonder why
I didn’t downvote you but it may be because the DNC hasn’t even happened yet.
How do you plan to recalibrate your BS meter after seeing how you were wrong here?
By just admitting I was wrong and that didn’t happen? Not that hard
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No one can “make biden run”. If he died tomorrow we are suppose to vote for a literal corpse? Boooo
Biden isn’t even the nominee yet that’s one of the reasons it was important this happened before the DNC. Before the nomination this is no official presidential candidate, ol’ Mikey Poo-Bear is yaking out of his ass. Mike even said “some legal impediments in at least a few of these jurisdictions”, he’s just posturing for attention. No more threatening than a bantam rooster when you walk in his coup.
Johnson is just threatening. He has no power over nominees.
from the article
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
For all of y’all anxiety-pilled people: this is great news. Biden was stuck in negative momentum because his health issues had been exposed and were not going to stop resulting in terrible headlines, which is a problem whoever comes next is not going to have, unless the delegates are somehow stupid enough to pull another dinosaur from below the rug.
More interestingly: now that Biden has pulled out because he’s patently too old, as it was a concern for plenty of voters, this is a golden opportunity to put the focus on the other candidate whose age is a somewhat less obvious but still noticeable issue.
Oh boy, I can’t wait for armchair pundits who were calling for Joe to step down to now turn around and start to nitpick Harris as if that wasn’t going to be the obvious successor.
I’m 100% behind Harris or anyone who gets the Dem nom. Trump must be stopped.
This is still a battle for America’s soul. Are we going to accept the first female president or the first convicted felon president? I sure hope the left turns out for this one, even if they aren’t super stoked about it, because we might never recover from another Trump disaster.
FINALLY…
Bad for the orange one, because the other side will get the whole media attention now.
We can hope. If the media attention is “Democrats are in shambles 3 months before the election” it might not go so well. And Trump will definitely be making a lot of noise about that.
I feel like the Democrats appeared more in shambles with him refusing to drop out. The party was all over the place on their support for him and he was just being a stubborn old man. Now they’ll hopefully all be able to come together and rally behind a single candidate.
I hope the Dems will quickly rally behind a new candidate and show more of the bad side of rump in the political debate, not just Bidens age. I think this is a huge chance
Biggest news this month
This decision really raises my opinion of Biden so much. God damn do I love that man, he is truly a great person who dedicated his life to serve his country, literally. He honestly had a great term given the circumstances, and the only thing he probably should have done differently is to not run for reelection to begin with. But he seemed to genuinely believe he could win and stave off Trump. Now that that seemed impossible, he makes a very courageous decision that a lot of people probably wouldn’t have made and puts the country ahead of his ego. Lots of respect from me, and I hope this reinvigorates the democratic base and makes the future brighter for all of us.
I hope the Dems know what they’re doing.
Morgan Freeman: “They do not”
Biden wasn’t doing what needed to be done to come back from the debate. This wasn’t a move out of desperation. It was out of necessity.
I hope they have a plan too.
He’s 81 and has COVID
He likely doesn’t have Covid
He likely does have COVID
According to…?
The internet.
I’m on the internet.
Make the democrats mistakes less existential by introducing competition into the electoral process with Ranked Choice voting.
More political parties, more chances to beat trump, more people voting.
They do. They’re doing what the people asked.
Nobody knows what they’re doing. This is all unprecedented stuff.
Realistically… from a foreigner . They shouldn’t …really… Have to…
Anybody that votes for trump wants a king. Plain and simple.
Provided America has a functional education system, the Dems should easily be able to coast against someone that actively tried to retain power in the ways that he did. You can listen to the cals yaknow.
I respect the decision and it means he goes out on top. It must have been a difficult decision, but he was one of the better presidents (I see an historian pol ranking him 14th best) and I believe history will remember him even better. I wish Joe Biden all the best in retirement.
Now comes the hard part. How do we avoid him having to say “I told you so”? How do we avoid repeating the disaster of the worst ranked President in history?
My money is still on Harris to be the final candidate. Get ready.
I am all for a women president, but Harris is just a Hilary repeat … Please dont.
AOC would be amazing but I know shes "too progressive"for the boomers… What ever the fuck that means
Why is she Hillary repeat?
The thought is that her years as a prosecutor will come back to bite her. Plus a lot of people seem to have a problem with her personality.
I haven’t watched her enough to form an opinion but those are the takes I’ve heard most often.
A prosecutor who is anti marijuana and anti minority.
I don’t know much about her, but directly from the wiki:
The rate at which Harris’s office prosecuted marijuana crimes was higher than the rate under Hallinan, but the number of defendants sentenced to state prison for such offenses was substantially lower.[76] Prosecutions for low-level marijuana offenses were rare under Harris, and her office had a policy of not pursuing jail time for marijuana possession offenses.[76]
It sounds like her position on weed is not exactly what people are painting it as. At least these comments make it seem much worse than it is according to the wiki.
EDIT:
According to this, she even supported a bill in 2019 to legalize marijuana at a federal level, tax it, and use that money to (according to this):
Create a community reinvestment fund to reinvest in communities most impacted by the failed War on Drugs and allow those funds to be invested in the following programs:
Job training;
Reentry services;
Expenses related to the expungement of convictions;
Public libraries;
Community centers;
Programs and opportunities dedicated to youth; and
Health education
I don’t know if it’s on purpose, but you are definitely spreading misinformation.
Hmmm… crickets
If that’s the spin republicans will take on her, they’ll alienate their own voters and push them democratic.
She’s a democrat so the average voter is totally incapable of identifying that they could be anything but pro minority and soft on crime.
It’s like pointing out that republicans keep crashing the economy, doesn’t matter, they’re branding is still ‘good for business’
Oof, that’s not great; got an example?
Apparently she changed her mind according to the sources responding to my comment.
I think this is an instance of people failing to think from a systems perspective rather than an individual perspective. Kamala Harris was a functionary of an oppressive system and chose the easy path of not challenging it from within. That in itself may not inspire confidence in her potential presidency, but it does not discount her completely. She is still an individual who has changed her views over the years in a way that suggests hope for her being a better president than she was an Attorney General.
Because that is the talking point that the foreign propaganda machine has been pumping out for the last few months. You’ll notice there were no comparisons to Hillary a year ago. Now it’s all “Harris is a cop,” and “Harris is Hillary 2.0”. Ignore all of that bullshit. It’s foreign trolls doing their job and muddying the waters.
I feel like I heard that stuff during the 2020 primaries as well, but the spotlight has definitely shifted back on her so we’ll be hearing all sorts of things.
Exactly. If it were a real issue, it would be important enough to talk about all the time. When it only comes up if she is in the spotlight, it’s a disinformation campaign.
Why is she Hillary repeat?
They don’t know. Watch… they won’t have specific factual reasons, only vague generalizations. Betcha.
Speaking, presentation, likability.
So well spoken female that people just don’t like for some reason?
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Chosen because of her gender before her merit. Evidence: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/15/biden-woman-vice-president-131309
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She ran for president previously and lost terribly because people didn’t like her. She is not well spoken because clearly people didn’t resonate with her, women included.
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When she loses, and I assure you she will, it’s not because she’s a woman. It all comes down to her track record and how charismatic she is, both which are bad.
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Let’s not forget she backs Biden so things that the left is against, such as her and Biden sending bombs to Israel will hurt her terribly.
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I’m probably voting for her, but it leaves a disgusting taste in my mouth stomaching it. I’m able to accept that I won’t have a perfect candidate but most Americans aren’t these days so it’s a loss for her, yeah.
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Piece of shit cop that ruined people’s lives for the crime of minding their own damn business. Not progressive, at all, and very far right as Democrats go.
cop
And just like that the concern trolls have aligned on a new attack line.
I’m voting for anyone not Trump, but she has a very public record of incarcerating non-violent offenders.
I do not like Hillary and I do not like Harris. I don’t however agree with harris being a Hilary repeat, I think she has a way better shot than Biden did
Have you actually listened to her on the issues or do you just know what the media has been spouting? I was surprised to hear her very articulate and reasonable stances from her directly rather than through a progressive media filter. There’s a mismatch.
To each their own, but when I watched her in the debate years back I only remember her as one of the people I explicitly didn’t like lol. Whatever, there’s some good points in this thread and I dearly hope they’re right.
I like AOC’s passion but a lot of people believe she’s too progressive. She’s young and can probably be more beneficial to her constituents and the party where she is for a few more years.
Harris should have a good shot, just for name recognition, her stance on abortion, and being part of the incumbent administration. Maybe she’s a more likable candidate then she was four years ago. The Democrats will have to give her a chance.
Too progressive = union busting?
Progressives aren’t going to get a candidate we like this year. And you know what, that’s ok. I wasn’t going to vote for Genocide Joe, but I’ll do everything in my power to put in office Harris, Newsom, Whitmer, or whoever else milquetoast neolib gets the establishment nod, if only to prevent Trump from taking office.
I wasn’t going to vote for Genocide Joe
Thanks for letting us know you’d rather have an autocratic despot run this country than Biden
Get it all out. We’re on the same side now, sweet heart!
Your “Genocide Joe” slur indicates you wouldn’t vote for him due to his stance on Israel. You think Trump would be better? He’d immediately start doubling arms shipments, I’m sure.
How do you think Harris’s policy will be different? She’s supported Biden’s foreign policy publicly, so seems like she would hold course as far as Israel and Palestine are concerned.
You may think we’re on the same side, but
AOC is legally too young to run still.
She’ll be old enough by January 20th so she can run.
Actually old enough before the election. I was under that misapprehension, as well.
Dont understand how this myth still persists, since it is immediately corrected every time I’ve seen someone claim it.
I see this bullshit literally every day. Read up.
Intentional misinformation spread because they fear her
Having the first US woman president would be cool and have a
firstwoman vice-president as well, why not?E: Whoops, you already had a first vp, Sorry, Americans.
yeah it would be cool but we’re talking about the American voter
Lol
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Haven’t you just had the first woman vice-president?
Oh yeah, I forgot the US did that.
Nobody voted for Biden because Kamala was the VP. Get real man, accept reality. Yes she might be better than Biden at this point but the only way she wins this is if she beats trump in a debate and based on her speaking skills in the few speeches I heard from her she will look like a moron on stage compared to him.
…what does any of that have to do with the comment you replied to
Running a woman for president is risky because of boomers, but the majority of them are voting Trump anyway. Running two women on the ticket I think would be a mistake. There are a lot of progressives that are still misogynist. As much as I’d love to see Harris/AOC I think they need to pick a man for VP.
They kind have to… IMO… You know, the whole DEI thing.
She’ll get absolutely demoed by Trump. I can’t wait for Dems to have to vote for a racist cop though, peak irony.
One of the things Harris really has going for her is the fact that she would absolutely demolish Trump in a debate. She would not let him off the hook for his lies and would be able to counter his BS with reality.
Which is why Trump will never agree to debate her.
If Harris does become first name on the ticket, they better put Jesus Himself Christ as her running mate.
I don’t like Harris at all, but I’d love to see her in a debate with trump.
If Harris does become first name on the ticket, they better put Jesus Himself Christ as her running mate.
GOP: Holy shit, why didn’t we think of that?
They probably did think of it but then rejected it when they found out how progressive Jesus is
Put a woke commie pacifist on the ticket? Hah! Now, Supply-Side Jesus, that’s a candidate.
I wondered what the H was for
You cannot be serious. She’s as bad at public speaking as Biden during the last debate. She absolutely would not stand a chance in a debate with Trump.
What makes you think she could do that? Honest question. The few speeches I heard from her she performed poorly.
She was a prosecutor. Trump is a rambling tank of lies. She is smart enough to predict his bullshit and have responses in the can. I would love to see someone call Trump a liar to his face constantly for an hour.
She’s great on attack, she just gets tongue tied on defense sometimes. Before the primary (where she had some good attacks), she was most known for questioning people in the senate.
Anyone will get demoed (?) by drumpf and the GOP.
They’ll probably claim whoever gets the nomination wasn’t born in the US, is part of a satanic paedophilic cabal, etc etc etc.
So that bit doesn’t matter. Get someone who ideally inspires the swing states and hesitant voters.
Then there’ll be a violent uprising with the support of the supreme court, but again there’s nothing you can do to prevent that now.
