We knew they wanted to go in a fascist direction, but I doubt many of us imagined they’d have the concentration camps up and running within three months. Bukele says he won’t return anyone, even if innocent, from this prison in El Salvador, and the director of the prison says that no one who goes in will ever return to their community. So how do you keep shipping prisoners into a camp without any of them coming out, and without the camp filling up? Maybe we’re further along with the Nazi program than most people realize.
We’re on pace with Nazi Germany. If you use that as a template you’ll expect:
- Concentration camps in about 60 days (milestone reached)
- October we’re due to leave the UN/NATO
- Draft coming in 2027 if Trump remains in power
- In 2030 we’ll annex Greenland
- By September 2031 we will start WW3
Now a lot can change between now and then and Trump isn’t a young guy, but that’s the blueprint to watch.
You want to talk about concentration camps? We’re already expanding our own Black Site.
America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. The average maximum security prison holds 800-1200 prisoners. The largest, Angola, LA, holds over 8000.
Our most famous black site, Guantanamo Bay, located in CUBA (WTF?), currently holds about 120, but that’s about to change. HitlerPig has already signed an executive order to build a 30,000 bed detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, and a $249 billion contract has been awarded. This will be in a remote corner of an island controlled by a hostile enemy, far out of the prying view of the courts, or the media. Anything could happen there, and nobody at home would ever known about it.
So they are now building a facility there, that will hold 30,000 prisoners. That’s nearly 4 times our largest prison, which is already about 8 times larger than average. Clearly, they are intending to incarcerate far many people that they already do. I wonder who those people will be?
Perhaps the most worrisome piece of news is this: It is expected to be finished in 2030. Why would HitlerPig commit to such a facility if he wasnt going to be able to use it? Perhaps he expects to still be in power in 2030.
What a timeline to be in that our best hope is that it’s just another way to funnel money to his cronies
It’s not like Democrats couldn’t find a use for a 30,000 bed detention facility. Anyway, of course Trump is going for a third term.
Uh, weren’t y’all supposed to pull OUT of Gitmo?
We’re much further ahead than them. Unlike Nazi Germany we’re already the world’s undisputed hegemon and all of the world’s most advanced economies are aligned w us.
Even though some are starting to learn to regret it; they’re still more skeptical of China or Russia than they are of us and our military presence within their borders and their dependence on our financial system ensures that they won’t stray unless the bombs literally start flying and, by then, it’ll be too late.
Yeah obviously there are differences between 1933 Germany and 2025 USA, but it still takes time to do everything. Our hegemony is deteriorating, and the way I see it that’s more important for global reaction speed than internal change speed.
No one currently gives enough of a shit about owning Greenland to want to invade it. The draft is key and I don’t think you’ll see that until after the mid-terms due to the backlash. That would put us right on the above pace.
But this is all really speculative and I don’t have any particular insight or educational focus on Nazi Germany. I just grew up in the wake of it, my grandfather having fought in the pacific theater.
There are certainly better prognosticators than me to listen to, but at the end of the day it’s all guesswork.
our system has created enough mass desperation for force people to chose military service rather than living a future of destitution and that guarantees that we will never have another draft.
There is currently a recruiting crisis in 3/4 of the branches. A draft will be absolutely necessary to go to war.
oic, you’re thinking that ww3 will need to happen for the united states to take over, but the united states is already in charge and the only ww3 we might have is w china.
Did you account for how much faster everything is happening? He’s only been in office for nearly three months.
He was on pace for concentration camps, within a few days. He’s moving fast but it takes time to drag a nation to war. We have time to oppose him. We have time for him to choke on a hamberder. With each passing day things get worse, but at what point will we collectively go further than protest? Things have to get really bad before that reaches critical mass.
What a fucking mess we’ve created. You know who I always wonder about? Whatever happened to the Germans who voted for Hitler? At what point did they regret it? When he turned into a madman? Or not until the Soviet and western tanks rolled into town?
Because until Trump voters start realizing what they’ve unleashed and start trying to take it back, nothing will stop him. So what’s the German blueprint for that? I don’t know.
You know who I always wonder about? Whatever happened to the Germans who voted for Hitler? At what point did they regret it? When he turned into a madman? Or not until the Soviet and western tanks rolled into town?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Thought_They_Were_Free
The author determined that his interviewees had fond memories of the Nazi period and did not see Adolf Hitler as evil, and they perceived themselves as having a high degree of personal freedom during Nazi rule, with the exception of the teacher. Additionally, barring said teacher, the subjects still disliked Jewish people.
That’s unbelievably disappointing.
Nazis always gonna nazi. It should be regarded as a mental illness.
People who are ill deserve compassion. Nazis deserve a mass grave.
Robert Evans had an episode of Behind the Bastards about the little Nazis. The middle class shopkeepers and middle managers that weren’t top level but were in the party.
Most of them never admitted it was a mistake to support Hitler.
To know all of that and to think, “that’s fine.”
It’s a kind of mundane evil I can’t comprehend.
The idea that this country will burn to ash and so many people will tell themselves at least a black woman wasn’t President. At least those filthy immigrants were sent to Salvadoran death camps. Too bad about my children, my business, my home, but we did the right thing. How can you look at all that and not at least think, maybe it wasn’t worth it? Maybe we’d all have been better off another way?
Fuck.
No. No I’m not allowing “I doubt many people knew this would happen” no. Plenty of us did nothing but scream for decades. You shooed us away. You sided with them because we were inconvenient to you.
You’re saying “you” to the people that were shouting it. You’re shouting into an echo chamber. Maybe go say it to them
I mean even people who were screaming didn’t think American democracy would start falling this quickly. I mean did you expect him to start arresting dissenters within a month and a half of his inauguration?
I mean did you expect him to start arresting dissenters within a month and a half of his inauguration?
Actually, yes. Absolutely. I read portions of P2025. I expected the insurrection act and martial law to happen by now, though. Not sure why it didn’t occur after the Hands Off demonstrations, except perhaps it would have meant more publicity and lent credibility to the opposition, which seems to have been intentionally ignored and marginalized by major media so far.
except perhaps it would have meant more publicity and lent credibility to the opposition, which seems to have been intentionally ignored and marginalized by major media so far.
This is one of the things bothering me the most. Yeah yeah owned by billionaires who support Trump. But this is our media, it’s one of the things I grew up being taught helped preserve our democracy.
And yet they spent years sanewashing Trump and are now failing to adequately cover the resistance to Trump.
Are those principled folks who resigned publicly the only ones who remember why they are here?
Trump is a drama factory. Drama makes clickable headlines and glues eyes to screens. Trump is good for the business interests of news.
Capitalism ruined our media
Yes. I don’t believe much of anything he says, but “dictator on day one” was very obviously his real plan.
The timeline of the Nazi takeover is public and very clear. The project 2025 details were public and very clear. It was more of a “I didn’t want to believe it” and not “who could have known” thing. Which is understandable but clearly not the same.
Yeah straight up assumed this was going to happen pretty much as it has been, I’m not even a yank and this was so so very obviously going to be the outcome…
Speak for yourself
Some of are still screaming and being unheard.
Plenty of us did nothing
excuse me for trying to save our democracy from tankies that were trying to delegitimize it
Everything that was supposed to come true under communism has come true under capitalism.
I will say, even despite me being the one constantly yelling about the incoming american fascism, I also though it’d take at least a little longer
But here we are, with most institutions and companies just rolling over. Sure, I figured it would happen, but I at least thought it’d take more than a year. Not… 3 months
It’s… I lack words, even. This is straight up nazi Germany, except we have the hindsight of history, and yet it’s still all for naught. Incredibly incredibly scary
Have you ever watched the movie Conspiracy depicting the Wannsee Conference? Things happen pretty quickly when bureaucrats are aligned and motivated. Suddenly they find a way to become organized beyond anyone’s wildest dreams.
No, not quite “won’t return anyone even if they’re innocent”. It’s more old-school witch hunt circular logic than that. It’s “if they’re in the prison, it’s because they’re a terrorist, and I will never let a terrorist free”.
Isn’t Trump a convicted criminal? There would be a lot of happier people if they just sent him to El Salvador.
It’s not for people who were convicted. No due process allowed.
I thought Trump was expanding it to everyone. Probably including people in other countries he doesn’t like.
This is getting out of hand
With none of that pesky due process to determine who these “criminals” are I suppose.
This is already what has been happening. No “suppose” about it.
Yes. That’s literally the only reason why you would do it.
No need to worry about that. Daddy Trump will just tell us who the criminals are!
And of course we will never see these people again. This is so blatently illegal its fucking mind blowing.
47 doesn’t GaF. He’s already ignoring UNANIMOUS scotus rulings. The law has failed. Nobody in power is willing to enforce anything.
Thank fuck i dont live in that shit hole
Please send help
We need to help ourselves.
my reddit account of 11 years got permabanned last week for saying something similar
Badge of honor
Imagine, I used to regularly be thankful I wasn’t a USA citizen before 2016. Now it comes to mind multiple times a day.
Yeah, that makes me happy too.
Honestly I’ve never felt as grateful to be in Canada than I do now. But we are potentially in for some serious trouble soon too. Election in like 2 weeks and it’s stressful af
He *IS" a convicted, homegrown, American criminal himself! Literally.
at what point is this not just a reactionary coup - the president’s complete disregard of the Supreme Court’s ruling and the Constitution means the United States of America is over, no? I mean, whatever this government is, it’s no longer operating by the fundamental rules and laws that established this country, that define this government - this is a new, autocratic government operating by different rules.
Does anyone else feel so un-motivated at work ever since Trump became president? I can’t sleep sometimes with the anxiety. I don’t even want to try to be anything in this American society anymore if it means a criminal can be President. What’s the point? Bad always wins. Good always suffers.
2020 i woke up every morning expecting to see a mushroom cloud over the nearest city. Every. Single. Morning.
My depression has depression at this point.
Americans, either fix your shit, or start thinking about how to get out, before the big beautiful wall keeps you in.
Don’t get out. Rise up. Take it back!
The existential threat is real, but also entirely unnecessary and avoidable.
nah, man. i say get out. if you’re not fully on board with what they’re doing, be proactive and at least decide where and how you’re going to live your life in exile.
Let the world fight your battles.
If every US citizen against Trump left the US and only the MAGAts were there, they’ll starve in weeks. Imagine all the blue states, the ones that “pay the bill”, losing more than half their population. And the rest of the world not wanting to do business with what remained in the US.
We fucked it up so bad we deserve the right to run away.
They’re working on it. Other side has a tremendous surveillance apparatus, as well as corporate media. They are treading carefully.
Yep. It’s the Stasi’s wet dream.
Buy a gun. Train.
Get connected with others. Make sure they get armed. Train with them.
Ya dude. It’s easy to say. Military has been training everyday for quite a long time with fully automatics
Asymmetrical urban warfare is death for all. The last few decades have shown us this.
I keep seeing this advice but honestly I’d rather spend years in a El Salavadorean prison wrongly convicted with the hope of being freed than die immediately in a hail of bullets, or be rightfully imprisoned for life for killing a cop.
You can imagine being freed from a concentration camp but can’t imagine successful community defense.
Cops don’t want to die in a hail of bullets either. There are more of us than them.
It’s purely a numbers thing. You shoot at a cop and you die. You go in a concentration camp and you might die. Even if it’s very likely, just personally speaking, I’d take that over certain death.
The important part is to not be the only person with the gun around. Personal defence won’t do much but community defense might.
But seriously. Nobody is coming back from El Salvador. If ICE comes for you you might as well take one with you.
I really don’t think we’re clearly thinking this through. I know my next door neighbor, but if the guy three doors down has a circle of cops outside a) I might not even know depending on the amount of noise, b) I’m not going to go shooting cops in the back if I just see them.
And when does this start? Have you shot a cop yet? Are you planning shooting cops today? Tomorrow? Next month? In 6 months?
I dont buy it.
I don’t think anyone is coming out of El Salvador. And I think if I did there is an excellent chance if I did survive it, I will wish I had been killed instead. I don’t think they have women’s prisons down there and if they did I would 100% be sent to the men’s. I used to learn about the Holocaust and wonder “why didn’t the Jews fight back?” And the truth is that some of them did, but most did not they didn’t have access to guns and they just hoped they would get through it.
When school kids are learning about the American Holocaust I don’t want to be one of the victims that kids wonder “why didn’t the trans Americans fight back?”
ICE needs to be resisted at every level. By Congress, by the states, by cities, and by individuals. I only have discretion over myself. I don’t want to shoot anybody, but I don’t want to die in a mass grave in Cuba or El Salvador either.
Will it work? Probably not. Am I talking tough on the internet? I hope I never find out the answer to that. But I know that if Americans decide to stop ICE as a group we could, even if Congress and the courts and so on are compromised.
The concept that “if jews had guns” the holocaust wouldn’t have happened was deliberate inflammatory rhetoric and propaganda from the NRA and US right wing talk radio (Rush Limbaugh et al) and is not based in fact or truth, and only arose in the 1990s as a last ditch attempt to prevent (American) gun control laws.
Intellectually and philosophically the problem with the argument is that you are imagining an entirely fictional past (Jews having guns in the Weimar Republic) and claiming that the imagined fantasy past proves that the real history and present would have successfully been altered. It would be as logical to claim that if Jews had dynamite, or chainsaws, or wore plate armor, or carried a magical talisman, or memorized a specific poem they could have prevented the holocaust. All of which, including guns, is extremely improbable at best.
And so is the case here. I asked another commenter when they expected to start killing cops, and how many they expect to kill. No reply. I’m not telling you or recommending you do it, I just find it interesting that everyone telling me to kill cops on sight isn’t doing it themselves.
You pivot to “we need to stop ICE” but I don’t want to lose the focus of this discussion which was suggesting that I open fire on police officers on sight as a solution to this political problem.
It’s OK to not want to harm another person. Another thing that may be more important is to prepare yourself to handle some intense questioning along with threats of winding up in a place like that (if you think your chances are better in there). I’m not judging you but don’t be a rat
Some things are worse than death and can be sustained without any form of honesty or due process right here in the United States
The official stance is that nobody will ever get out of that prison alive. Literally. It’s one very specific prison, and it’s reduced El Salvador’s violent crime rate to damn near zero because of how fucked up that prison is, and how little due process you’ll receive if you even just get caught having gang tattoos. They don’t need to connect you to any specific crime.
You’ll share the cell with like 40 other dudes, and you all share one communal water barrel and one communal shit pit. The food is specifically designed to not be nutritious enough to sustain any muscle mass. You’ll wish for death in there, but you can’t even commit suicide by another inmate. Even suicide by guard is hard to pull off.
I’d honestly take the bullet over CECOT.
You’d change your mind on this while you go through torture
I mean, if by “years” you mean less than a year, killed, and buried in a mass grave in El Salvador than sure.
This is in comparison to getting in a firefight with the police? I’m sorry, but yes, I’d rather take my chances. Shooting at the police is, even if the odds are close, more likely to get you killed.
You don’t come out alive from those prisons and it’s gonna hurt more than bullets
Death is far from the worst thing that can happen to someone. We all must walk with the reaper some day. I would much rather die on my feet than live on my knees. CECOT is not living, it is Hell. I would infanetly prefer to go to Valhalla than CECOT.
What if I told you it won’t be very many years, and it’ll also be the rest of your life?
So there’s a dock at your door today and you peep through the window and you see four cops, you just start blasting? I don’t buy it.
He can declare them criminals with his mind. More efficient than a trial.
This is very much how it’s going to happen.
All part of the Orange Turds plan for America. MAGAts have turned America into a horror movie.
Yep, Project 2025 wasn’t exaggerated at all. We all knew this would happen.
But I’m gonna blame Biden, Harris and AIPAC for blowing up the liberal-progressive coalition and alienating working class Americans with high inflation.
How do you lose 6 million voters from 2020 to 2024. That’s just insane.
Half of them went to Trump, the other half stayed home.
Madness
Yeah…I hate how much I hate magasites AND the DNC. I mean, I definitely hate one more than the other, but geez, I just really would love to love at least a majority of the candidates churned out by at least one of the parties.
They removed mail in voting, removed many people from voting registries
And fElon was so great with the machines in Pennsylvania…
The economy was fucking great and inflation going up happens under capitalism. Like I don’t really know what the fuck you want?
MAGA are going straight to Krystallnacht, but it’s ok because Bernie went to Coachella.
Was his set good?
Kristallnacht, but as that is the Nazi term and euphemistic at that, pls use the official term Reichsprogromnacht
What else do you expect from a shit hole country
